Also I was told by the HomeDepot guy that I should be using the pressure treated plywood at the bottom (especially in our pacific northwest weather) and if I want a finished look, add another later on top of that. 0000016306 00000 n 0000100846 00000 n I used it on PT plywood that was still wet. 4 0 obj <> endobj xref 4 41 0000000016 00000 n 0000022645 00000 n I want to glue and screw some pressure treated plywood to some PT 2×8’s. 0000001424 00000 n Since pressure treated wood is primarily designed for outside, and / or earth contact, gluing this product seems odd. Decks and fences are the most common uses for treated wood, but it is ideal for a variety of applications. The problem is getting the tile INSTALLATION, including the grout joints, to hold up. Where the wood is exposed to temperature and moisture changes in an outdoor environment, the tile isn’t going to stay put for long. First, cement backerboard is the perfect bonding surface for the thinset because of its porous texture. Higher latex content is essential for bonding to plywood.A quality unmodified thinset should be used. You can either paint it, … Painting vs. Staining Pressure Treated Wood Read More » Lee has over two decades of hands-on experience remodeling, fixing, and improving homes, and has been providing home improvement advice for over 12 years. When you lay down cement board on plywood, you will trowel thinset between the two surfaces. Schulter expressly notes that Ditra replaces that second layer of plywood. If it were a freshly constructed floor I would think that paint would not stick well at all if there was heavy traffic. There may be times when you want to bond tile directly to plywood, or another wood surface, rather than screwing down backerboard first. will like to know the best glue to use to glue down treated wood to basement concrate floor .i am going to put a plywood on it as a sub floor for laying a hard wood floor .thanks. For wall installations, your real concerns are whether you want to use thinset directly on the wood and whether you are using an exterior or interior type of plywood. The pressure treatment puts a chemical into the wood that protects it from rotting and termite infestation. You know I'm going to put a wood pad, probably plywood,between the longitudinal board and where the cradle is. 0000026701 00000 n When you are sealing treated lumber it is easy to forget parts of the lumber. 0000036512 00000 n Under all of that was 3/4 inch Particle board that was glued AND stapled to the plywood … Note that this requirement is only for exterior walls, as these may wick moisture onto the lumber. How should you attach ceramic tile to exterior pressure treated wood? I am currently undergoing a restoration and have already bought some of my plywood. Peel-and-stick tiles will bond to bare plywood, but you must ensure the plywood is secure and clean first. 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Even though exterior grade plywood is designed to stand up to harsh weather, nothing can tolerate moisture better than a product that is entirely composed of minerals (cement board) vs. an organic product (plywood). Perry Mastrovito Design Pics/Getty Images. Rent a pressure washer that can spray chemicals like deck stripper and wood brightener. Thinset is the wet base that you first trowel on the plywood to make the tile stick. 0000026962 00000 n Shear release interfaces have been used for thousands of years, beginning with the Romans and Greeks. By using The Spruce, you accept our, For Flooring, Use Intervening Sheets of Plywood, Space the Field and Edge Fasteners Correctly, The Subfloor Is the Foundation of a Good Flooring Installation. You don't want to use construction adhesive. One example would be to use Laticrete's 317 thinset … Thanks for any feedback. This chemical soaks in the wood and does not allow the paint to adhere as well as if it were on non-treated wood. drywall mud to cover the cement tape that I applied over the cement board. Similarly, will Thinset stick to stained concrete? While most floor tile these days is installed onto a layer of cement board or similar backerboard, it is possible to lay tile directly over plywood. Joints of the top layer should be well away from the joints of the bottom layer. Furthermore, does mortar bond to wood? Seal the Whole Thing. Schluter Ditra is one popular brand of a membrane. ]Ȧ5g������*�E� �`=u ��Tf�g����F�6��ş�. Exterior grade or better plywood should be used for the substrate. It said that it would not stick to the treated wood because of all the chemicals. Normally the purpose of thinset between the backer board and subfloor is to fill minor imperfections so that there's no flex between the backer board and subfloor. Pressure treated plywood, the green stuff you get at home centers, is an exterior plywood that has been treated with ACQ to increase its resistance to rot. Took a while to dry. 0000006879 00000 n If you are not a fan of the natural look of pressure treated wood then don´t worry, there are ways to give it some color. Start by cleaning the wood with water, then spray desk stripper on the wood to remove any old paint. Thanks Casey for the reply. 0000027031 00000 n All of this assumes that the plywood is thick enough to be reasonably rigid and doesn't bow and flex with temperature variation. Once the concrete is stained , it should not be tiled because the thinset will not adhere properly. Backerboard does not shrink or expand when it comes into contact with water (mortar and grout both contain water). 0000027522 00000 n 0000002864 00000 n 0000020515 00000 n The Spruce uses cookies to provide you with a great user experience. Also, people should stop calling warming mats floor or radiant "heat". 0000034750 00000 n grout removal electric tool find Bind building blocks 2. proper plywood subfloor Remove 45 square feet Put on the dust mask and eye protection. A quality unmodified thinset should be used and mixed with a latex additive. You need near 100% contact between the hardibacker and the underlying plywood, or the hardibacker will flex and cause your tiles to pop or crack. The most skillfully laid tile floor or wall can be ruined with a base that is not dimensionally stable. But a number of precautions must be taken to ensure a successful installation: While tile can be laid on plywood, do not install tile directly onto the plywood subfloor itself. This is … Reply thewoodwhisperer June 17, 2011 6:33 pm If it's composed of narrow strips, I'd wait at least a few days (in the sun) or a week (in the shade) so that the surface is noticeably dry. Loosen the thinset by striking it with the hammer. 0000021961 00000 n New lumber that is pressure treated can weather for approximately 30 days prior to sealing it. A tight, unmoving bond between mortar and subfloor causes cracking. When screwing down the top layer, make sure that you are screwing no farther than the bottom layer of plywood. 0000013870 00000 n I decided to fix it right this spring. We've had the means for about 30 years (yes, I remember. 0000010479 00000 n I'm doing some trailer fender repair. If you use unmodified thinset to stick Ditra to the subfloor you will be re-doing the entire job within weeks. Any advice would be appreciated. I really could use a experts advice. �֩S�R��k�S�^u�ru�Ӫ/�^8ӪK��j$C�V�y�NW�? 0000032553 00000 n Use a pressure washer for larger projects. 0000031661 00000 n I figure I could use Gorilla glue or construction adhesive. 0000001328 00000 n Otherwise, the plywood can suck the moisture out of the thinset before it has a chance to harden leaving it soft and crumbly. 0000006742 00000 n 0000014737 00000 n 0000035435 00000 n You do not want "pressure treated." Higher latex content is essential for bonding to plywood. If you’re installing new plywood, use galvanized screws to fasten it, and countersink the screw heads. Thinset is the wet base that you first trowel on the plywood to make the tile stick. Driving screws all the way down to the joists negates the effect of double layering the floor by transmitting the movement from the joists directly to the top layer of plywood. 0000012263 00000 n Cement backerboard is made for tiling. Bill Bill Vincent tiles direct to plywood, but he insists on two layers installed to his specs. As mentioned before, the thinset fills the small gaps between plywood and cement board. Cement board will not mitigate floor deflection, but it will provide an optimal surface for tiling by bonding and filling. But ceramic, porcelain, and glass tile, along with their service components of thinset and grout, are far too fragile to withstand even the slightest substrate movement. when adding a shower to my bathroom I just used reg. I have to repair a pump house where my well sits. Leaving no gap means that the edges of two adjacent sheets of plywood may press against each other and deform when the plywood expands. Don't cheap-out; buy a quality thinset. Pressure treated plywood has a high moisture content and is notoriously unstable as it dries. Avoid having two joints on top of each other. 0000004895 00000 n Interior walls are within a climate-controlled environment and are presumed to be free of moisture. I mean, this is a light dinghy, 400# all up, and maybe 100# when I travel for regattas on the West Coast. In addition, uncoupling tile membranes prevent moisture from infiltrating surfaces below. oriented strand board (OSB) or sheathing, pressure treated plywood, fire-treated plywood, interior grade plywood, hardwood flooring. Thinset mortar can be used on a plywood mosaic backer provided the plywood has been sealed with a white PVA adhesive such as Weldbond. You will want at least the 5/8" exterior grade AC or BC plywood. An uncoupling membrane does exactly what the name says: it uncouples, or releases, the bond between plywood and tile mortar, allowing each surface to move independently of each other. I figure a square foot or so each, and the pad will dissipate the force enough. Higher latex content is essential for bonding to plywood. NOTE: Interior grade plywood is not considered a suitable substrate due to the water-sensitive nature of the glues used to bond laminate layers … Painting before the wood’s ready simply wastes a day’s effort. 0000014273 00000 n One example would be to use Laticrete's 317 thinset mixed with Laticrete 333 liquid latex additive. Backerboard can double the thickness of an installation, which can be troublesome in some locations. You may also want to tile an outdoor shed, or tile plywood … There has never been a problem getting tiles to stick to plywood. Get daily tips and tricks for making your best home. and mixed with a latex additive.. board, oriented strand board (OSB) or sheathing, pressure treated plywood, fire-treated plywood, interior grade plywood, hardwood flooring. 0000036256 00000 n 1 Walk over the plywood subfloor and circle any loose or squeaky areas with chalk. Laying tile to veneer plywood risks loosening and unbonding the veneer, creating an unstable base for the tile. 0000035006 00000 n x�b``Pc``������r�01��4$Q5(f`�d`��h�����~�]���M�}�}6=�*��ll\����k��3�a�a�Z"$ ��)���C��9�f i�!�!a-�x���x=@� ?\ endstream endobj 5 0 obj <>/Metadata 2 0 R/Pages 1 0 R/Type/Catalog>> endobj 6 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/Properties<>>>/ExtGState<>>>/Type/Page>> endobj 7 0 obj <> endobj 8 0 obj <> endobj 9 0 obj [/ICCBased 21 0 R] endobj 10 0 obj <>stream A quality unmodified thinset should be used and mixed with a latex additive. Second, cement board helps with filling. Leave a 1/16-inch gap for the joints to allow for expansion and contraction. The cement board smooths over imperfections in the plywood, and the thinset below the cement board will fill in voids. A number of different types of substrate are used for tile, including plywood. Only exterior-approved plywood will support the weight; interior plywood and particleboard do not have the same strength and will buckle under the tiles. 0000100735 00000 n While some types of plywood can be used in certain types of tile installations, use of the material has limitations. Use intervening layers of two sheets of plywood. 0000001888 00000 n Once it dries it holds very well. One popular way to augment plywood substrate is with a waterproofing, uncoupling membrane between the tile and one layer plywood. In reality the plywood will take weeks or longer to truly dry out, and depends heavily on your weather and sun exposure. And yes, it is pressure treated. %PDF-1.5 %���� When installing tile, having a solid and tight substrate that will not shift, expand, or contract is all-important. To operate the pressure washer, plug it in and hold the nozzle attached to the spraying wand. I assume those were Asbestos. Leaving a gap allows for expansion. You will need to either restore the concrete so it is close to its original condition or cover the stained concrete with a … The original wood was rotted- 7/16 x 4" x 7' strip ply. It will not heat the room, it will only warm the floor. Under no conditions should you use veneer-bond plywood. My buddy seems to think it might cause the thin set not adhere properly. How to Prepare a Vinyl or Linoleum Floor for Ceramic Tile, Inexpensive Options for Flooring in Basements, Installing Cement Board Underlayment for Tile. 0000036841 00000 n Click to see full answer. The another reason is that I want to life the floor higher, so going with the two layer of the plywood. I used it on a small section of flooring in my boat. 0000001116 00000 n I would like to replace it with pressure treated but don't know if the fiberglass resin will bite to pressure treated plywood. Contents Porcelain 50-lb gray powder Confidence. Many other types of floor coverings such as laminate or luxury vinyl tile have more flex and are more forgiving. Plywood requires the application of a latex based bonding solution to the plywood to seal it and then the use of a flexible cement based adhesive, not pre-mixed tub adhesive. Make certain you seal the edges, front, back and the ends of the lumber. Introducing "One Thing": A New Video Series, The Spruce Gardening & Plant Care Review Board, The Spruce Renovations and Repair Review Board. Plywood and the flooring to which it is attached must be at least 1 1/8 inch thick to support the weight of thinset and tiles. 0000027223 00000 n Obviously, it’s a damp environment. Thinset is the wet base that you first trowel on the plywood to make the tile stick. The answer to your question partly depends on the size and shape of the tape. Consequently, can Thinset be used on plywood? They only stick to untreated, clean, dry wood. Fiberglass resins will not stick to woods that have been treated. The existing wood has rotted out. 0000017867 00000 n 0000022240 00000 n I'd really hate to … Redwood is not only usually treated, but it also contains a waxy substance prohibiting adhesion. Pressure-treated wood is required whenever you attach framing lumber or furring strips directly to concrete or other exterior masonry walls below grade.. So this lead to me spending the next few hours researching and reading forum after forum regarding this issue. The safest, most prudent course is to install tile on top of a cement backerboard such as Durock, Wonderboard, or HardieBacker. Loose areas on an existing plywood subfloor can cause peel-and-stick tiles to lift over time. Re: carpet adhesive on treated lumber I got mine at Lowes also. There was a top layer of Avocado Green Linoleum, Below that were brown faux Parquet lick-n-stick 12 inch vinyls, Below that were thick (approx 1/8th inch) 9 inch square tiles. 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